Blogs Add To Loughner Info And Interpretation...

Fed Up Montrealer has found an Arizona Supreme Court record of Loughner's.

Ararisq on ATS makes a convincing case for Loughner himself being some kind of mind control patsy in the great tradition of Lee Harvey Oswald or Mark David Chapman...

I would like to present the case for controlling conspiracy which will arise out of the Jared Lee Loughner attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

There are other threads discussing the breaking the news surrounding the shooting. The media, political hacks, and disinformation agents are out in force and would have you believe that Jared Lee Loughner was either a member of the Tea Party movement wanting to assassinate a Democratic Congresswoman at the behest of Sarah Palin or that he was a hard core Progressive, based on his favorite books and movies, out to remove a Blue Dog Democrat that had voted against his agenda.

I would like to offer up that he is neither. I do not know what we will found out or if the truth will ever be known but I do know that if we review the YouTube videos posted by Loughner that he is far beyond a casual conspiracy enthusiast. He is the worst possible representative of conspiracy theorists. His videos portray a mind that is clearly at war with itself, one that has lost a complete grip with reality, and one that no one can help but condemn.

In the early hours after the event, Loughner has been portrayed as many things, but when the dust settles he will be known as a someone with a mind troubled by conspiracies, someone distrusting of government, and as he said in his farewell message, "[unable to] rest". It is left to be seen how those that knew Loughner will describe him in the days leading up to the shooting but if I had to guess I would believe he took a turn for the worse in the past year.

As of this moment, there are contradictions as to who Jared Lee Loughner is. In his YouTube video, his anti-government statements and fear of mind control come checked with the statement that Loughner was also a “United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix” and there is also an unconfirmed report that Loughner had been deployed to Afghanistan at one point. It starts to come across as eerily similar to Lee Harvey Oswald.

It is hard to deny that if one were to design the perfect storm attack which would put all of those that are at odds with the government in the cross hairs, that this is it. He can be a liberal to the right because his favorite books include "Mein Kampf", "A Brave New World", and "The Communist Manifesto", he can be a conservative to the left because he targeted a Democratic Congresswoman, and he can be the poster boy for those holding non-mainstream / anti-government views. The perfect patsy because no one can do anything but universally condemn him...

He can be the image of everything you despise regardless of ideology.

I would pose the following questions -

1) Are we sure that the Congresswoman was his target? A number of other people were killed including a Federal Judge which had been in protective service due to death threats. Did the target even matter or was she just the weakest link in whatever act is being played out?

2) Did Jared Lee Loughner make the videos in that YouTube channel? I 100% do not believe they were made after the fact, his name is all over the videos and they were added months ago according to YouTube - but they make no sense at all. All they do is provide the only accessible evidence to the public about who Loughner was -- a nut-job obsessed with conspiracies.

3) Who benefits the most from having Jared Lee Loughner as the gunman? Defend the constitution - you must support Loughner, speak out against disarming the public - you must support Loughner, speak out against congress or tell someone about the latest conspiracy theory - you might be a Loughner in the making.

4) Why did it take EMS 30 minutes to arrive on the scene?

5) Where is the video of the incident - I highly doubt that a congresswoman at a political event is not being filmed?

6) Initial reports indicated a second shooter which have now been dismissed - but it again smells very similar to the Lee Harvey Oswald case.

I just want to ask people before making rash judgement about this case to consider all of the information and how uncommon it all is. A former veteran, deluded with thoughts of being mind control, making incomprehensible videos and statements, having ideologies all over the spectrum, having no respect for life, suddenly deciding that he cannot rest and decides to take it out on a political figure - a congresswoman and multitudes of other people. There is more at work here than an a Tea Party or Progressive member gone postal. I'm not a MKULTRA believer - but this seemed to resemble the template definition of an MKULTRA event from what I have seen.

Ted Kaczynski and the CIA?

Harvard. Isn't that where Obama went?


From Cryptogon and Times Union.


Was my brother, Ted Kaczynski (AKA “the Unabomber”), a sort of “Manchurian candidate” - programmed to kill by our government in a CIA-funded thought-control experiment gone awry?

I hope you will excuse the provocative question - especially since I don’t know the answer to it.

What I do know is that my brother was a guinea pig in an unethical and psychologically damaging research project conducted at Harvard University where he attended college in the early 1960′s. While it is true that my brother suffers from paranoia, it is also true that he fell victim to a conspiracy of psychological researchers who used deceptive tactics to study the effects of emotional and psychological trauma on unwitting human subjects. My brother was harmed by psychologists who recognized - at least tangentially - that they were hurting him yet who made no attempt to undo or ameliorate the harm they’d caused to their young and vulnerable subject. Thus, it would be fair to say that my brother’s paranoia had a reference point in reality.

Fifteen years after his experience at Harvard, Ted Kaczynski embarked on a mail bomb campaign that targeted leading researchers in technology, behavioral psychologists among them. Is there a connection between my brother’s violent behavior and his earlier experience as a guinea pig at Harvard? It seems there must be some connection. But how much connection? And what role might the US government have played in unleashing the Unabomber’s anti-social behavior?

... In 1967, according to the CIA’s internal assessment, there were literally hundreds of college professors on more than 100 American college campuses under secret contract to the CIA. Needless to say, universities like Harvard that wanted a piece of the action decided to dispense with the ethical standard embedded in the Nuremberg Code. From 1953 to 1963, federal support for scientific research at Harvard increased from $8 million per year to $30 million.

One secret CIA research project that used unwitting American citizens as subjects was code-named MK Ultra. It lasted 10 years and ended in 1963, shortly after Ted graduated from Harvard. MK Ultra experiments used sensory deprivation, sleep learning, subliminal projection, electronic brain stimulation, and hallucinogenic drugs to study various applications for behavior modification. One project was designed to see if subjects could be programmed to kill on demand. Experiments were conducted in penal institutions, mental institutions, and on university campuses. Some hapless human subjects went crazy, and some are known to have committed suicide.

When the media began to catch wind of a program of secret government experimentation on American citizens, former CIA director Richard Helms ordered many records pertaining to MK Ultra destroyed. Thus, the full scope of the program and its abuses may never be known.

The Harvard study my brother participated in was called “Multiform Assessments of Personality Development Among Gifted College Men.” It was overseen by the noted psychologist Henry Murray, who during WWII worked for the OSS (which later became the CIA), where he developed methodologies for interrogating prisoners of war. In his professional life, Murray was known for his brilliance and his grandiosity. In his personal life, according to his biographer, he displayed sadistic tendencies. His research on college men bears a certain resemblance to his research on prisoners of war. He was quite a big wheel in his day, perhaps as well known and influential in military and government circles as he was in academia.

Were the so-called “Murray experiments” part of MK Ultra? It may be that no one living knows the answer to this question. We know that the experiments were highly unpleasant for my brother and for some others who participated. We know that the basic premise of the research was to study how bright college students would react to aggressive and highly stressful attacks on their beliefs and values.

Suicide Note Of Clay Duke

This is truly reminiscent of the Manifesto of Joe Stack, the writings of John Patrick Bedell and other left behind documents that appear shortly after the author has just been shot or otherwise killed in some kind of "act of rage." Unfortunately these incidents leave one with the impression that they might be orchestrated events, with mind control subjects, or otherwise staged events. We will need to find out more about Clay Duke before judging this one however.

The coincidence of this coming out at the same time that Wikileaks supporters throughout the world are wearing V for Vendetta masks is another interesting point. Suddenly this guy is spray painting the V for Vendetta symbol on the wall before he commits this act.

Another issue is the lack of injured other then the gunman, just as in the Bedell case Duke fails to hit anyone with his gun. Some even speculate it was loaded with blanks.

If this were an orchestrated event, it would be used to incriminate anyone who has issues with the current corrupt political establishment and paint them as crazy and dangerous radicals. Whether that is what we have here, or truly just an enraged man is yet to be discovered.


From HULIQ


My Testament: Some people (the government sponsored media) will say I was evil, a monster (V)… no… I was just born poor in a country where the Wealthy manipulate, use, abuse, and economically enslave 95% of the population. Rich Republicans, Rich Democrats… same-same… rich… they take turns fleecing us… our few dollars… pyramiding the wealth for themselves. The 95%… the us, in US of A, are the neo slaves of the Global South. Our Masters, the Wealthy, do, as they like to us…

“There’s class warfare, all right, but its my class, the rich class that’s making war and we’re winning”
- Warren Buffet

Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number.
Shake your chains to earth like dew.
Which in sleep has fallen on you.
Ye are many – they are few.

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Another Lone Wolf Patsy?

I am not sure, but I think James Jay Lee is looking like another "lone wolf" patsy. I say another because we have had a whole slew of these, Joseph Andrew Stack, John Patrick Bedell and now James Jay Lee, just to mention a few. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all plots hatched in a conference room somewhere with a slide show.

First of all his myspace page appears not to have been updated in years and has no "last logged in" sign, for what that is worth. Nonetheless the "Manifesto", and yes there is once again a Manifesto, is on his myspace. It doesn't look like this time there are any juicy clues like details of his jobs for the defense industry or DARPA grants. Maybe these dolts are getting better at their work. We will see.

The following Fox video interview is suspicious to me, and for the same reasons I found Bedell and Stack suspicious. The brother in law hits all the right talking points about "lone wolves" questioning authority too much and thinking they are smarter then the rest. This is exactly the type of person the establishment wants the average person to be afraid of, because free thinkers with an anti-authoritarian bent are the only ones who might oppose the establishment as they seek increasing control over us. Nonetheless he must also be painted as a crazy, or a loony, which I think was also well established.

One comment on Business Insider points out:

If you actually read his site he sounds like a disturbed person, not a leftist or teabagger. He talks about global warming WHILE he talks about immigration "filth" and "anchor babies".

I have written already how patsies usually have a schizophrenic or double personatlity with contradicting view points, this often comes from the "sheep dipping" necessary to blame whatever cause or group the establishment wishes to blame. I recommend reading this post where I went into detail about that many months ago.

I also found it revealing how in the following video the brother in law mentions that he has no idea where Lee has been, he is mentioned as an "artist," and that he did some work in Los Angeles with film, but the speaker sounds truly confused as if he has no idea really what Lee has been doing with his time the last couple years. He also mentions that he was in and out of jail for a bit. These two evidences both point in the direction of a patsy as they are typical characteristics of a patsy as I mentioned also in a previous post.





It states on his myspace that his hometown is Hawaii. The University of Hawaii is mentioned by Wayne Madsen this way:

Although CIA geo-political covert operations at the University of Hawaii are well-documented, the agency’s darker side of research and MK-UKTRA type operations has not generally been associated with the University of Hawaii.
A series of formerly Confidential CIA memoranda, dated May 15, 1972, points to the involvement of both the Defense Department’s Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), the CIA, and the University of Hawaii in the CIA’s behavioral science program.

A possibility at least.

As for the issue of his pro-environmental views and his views about reducing the population of the earth, and the question that one might have as to why the establishment would want to slander these views, I don't yet have a complete answer except to say that the Unabomber was also linked to similar environmental themes in his manifesto. The Unabomber is also widely believed to have been part of CIA MKULTRA experiments based on credible circumstantial evidence according to Wikipedia at least. The Unabomber also had a manifesto which like James Jay Lee also mentioned the Industrial Revolution:

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Is James J. Lee he a patsy? I don't know, but it is probably a good idea to be a little suspicious since all these "lone wolf" attacks support the government's agenda of making us afraid of anyone who might oppose them in protest or thought.
This mistrust is especially valid in a country where both political parties continually pat each other on the back in a kind of "controlled opposition" puppet show masquerading as democracy.

More CIA Games With LSD?

Was the CIA spiking the bread in a French town with LSD? An article in the British newspaper The Telegraph says they did.

Considering their history with MKULTRA mind control experiments on unwitting Canadians and Americans it wouldn't surprise me.

The CIA are such nice people. Always doing good deeds for mankind.

Discovered on Cryptogon.